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Post by bluepride on Oct 29, 2007 11:00:45 GMT -5
Now that the baseball season is finally over and football is in full swing, here is an article I found regarding a study which concluded that a lot of football players have had homosexual experiences with other men, whether experimental or relationship oriented. Interesting stuff... Over a third of former American Football players interviewed had sexual relations with men, says studyUniversity of Bath In his study of homosexuality among sportsmen in the US, sociologist Dr Eric Anderson found that 19 in a sample of 47 had taken part in acts intended to sexually arouse other men, ranging from kissing to mutual masturbation and oral sex. The 47 men, aged 18-23, were all American Football players who previously played at the high school (secondary school) level but had failed to be picked for their university's team and were now cheerleaders instead. They were at various universities from the American south, Mid-West, west and north west. Dr Anderson, now of the University of Bath, UK, said the study showed that society's increasing open-mindedness about homosexuality and decreasing stigma concerning sexual activity with other men had allowed sportsmen to speak more openly about these sexual activities. He found that this sex came in the form of two men and one woman, as well as just two men alone. He said that the sexual acts described differed from acts of ‘hazing' or team-bonding that often include pretend-homosexual acts. "The evidence supports my assertion that homophobia is on the rapid decline among male teamsport athletes in North America at all levels of play," he writes in his study, entitled ‘Being masculine is not about whom you sleep with…Heterosexual athletes contesting masculinity and the one-time rule of homosexuality'. It will be published in the journal Sex Roles in January. "These finding differ from previous research on North American men who have sex with men, in several ways. First, previous research describes heterosexual men in heterogeneous group sex as men symbolically engaging in sexual practices with other men. However, I find informants actually engage in sexual activity with other men. But this does not mean that they are gay. Over a third of former American Football players interviewed had sexual relations with men, says study
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Post by bluepride on Dec 6, 2007 22:38:55 GMT -5
Tony Dungy on Homosexuality: Bigotry Is Bigotry In a recent appearance on the HBO series Costas Now, Colts coach Tony Dungy showed his true colors. Dungy, a devout Christian, was initially asked if he'd have a problem with having a Muslim, Jew, or atheist on his team. Dungy immediately answered no. He doesn’t proselytize to his players, he said. Costas followed up with the same question about an openly gay player. And Dungy paused. He actually paused and crossed his arms—in obvious discomfort—before responding with canned blather about letting the player know what he thinks, and what the Bible says. Dungy also said that if the player were good he'd have no problem with it. But if that's the case—why the pause? Why the discomfort? I’m not gay. I’m a straight white male—and I’m completely and utterly offended that Dungy paused to a question to which any sane, intelligent person would reply, “I have no problem with it at all.” Tony Dungy was the first African American coach to lead his team to a Super Bowl championship. I personally didn’t find the feat particularly earth-shattering. Besides the color of Dungy's skin, what made his accomplishment any different than a white coach winning the Super Bowl for the first time? Is Bill Belichick's fair complexion responsible for his success? In beating Dungy time and again over the years, did Belichick prove that black coaches were somehow inferior? Was it Jon Gruden's whiteness that helped him lead Dungy's Bucs to the promised land immediately after Dungy's departure? Seriously, who gives a damn what color your skin is? And by the same token, who gives a damn whom you sleep with? Tony Dungy on Homosexuality: Bigotry Is Bigotry
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2007 9:50:37 GMT -5
I just don't understand why there is so much interest in the oppinions of Tony Dungy. After all, he's not an educator, a scientist, a man of letters, a social activist, a disease fighting doctor, a champion of the poor, an economic genius, an artist, or a meaninful contributor to the welfare of mankind. What is he? He organizes a group of men who catch, run with, and retrieve a ball. I have a dog that can do that!!!! Who cares what that Bible toting idiot thinks. His oppinions mean nothing to any thinking person. The black community needs more doctors, lawyers, inventors, scientists, engineers, educators, and a host of other professionals. What we don't need is any more black people holding a football, basketball, or basball acting like they deserve to get a Nobel Prize. So, who cares that he is the first African American to coach a team at the Super Bowl. That's not very important. What is important is Dr Charles Drew, the African American doctor who was the pioneer for blood transfusion and plasma processing. And the very, very long list of African American people who have used their brains to move our society ahead. Tony Dungy really has no place on that list. Unless we think that bouncing a ball is as important as he seems to think it is.
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Post by bluepride on Dec 7, 2007 12:52:09 GMT -5
The unfortunate thing here is that he is interviewed on a show that millions of people see and for some ungodly reason, some people will be influenced by what he says. Personally, I could care less what his opinions are. As holier than thou than he apparently portrays himself, his influence seems to not have reached to his son. His son died last year with drugs in his system if I recall correctly. Hcsodale could give more accurate details on this because he was involved with the investigation.
I also agree that your everyday professional ballplayer isn't exactly an expert in human relations and people's sexuality. When it comes to any of them making a statement regarding gays, whether in sports or not, my first reaction is, "Just throw the ball, Mary".
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Post by hcsodale on Dec 7, 2007 20:53:42 GMT -5
Yes, I was the case detective for his son's death investigation. The drug was minimal and was not a factor in his death. Jamie was fighting his own demons of being an independent young man and becoming his own person. For whatever reasons unknown to anyone but Jamie, whether it being he walked in the shadow of his father, a highly respected man in the Tampa community, or possibly his own personal insecurities, he chose to take his own life. Tony Dungy is a benevolent man, a caring man and a true positive role model for many of today's "Thug like" sports players that feel they have to act bad, talk bad and look bad to be respected. The only negative thing I have heard about Tony Dungy unfortunately has been his stand on homosexuality. Which is a big slap upside my head, because I thought highly of him as well. Whoever wants to be the most devout (fill in your religion of choice here) can do so, but they can and some actually do, think for themselves and respect a person for who they are, not who they love. Unfortunately again, this doesn't seem to be an option for Tony. He continues to be a good man to the majority of the people, but obviously cannot acknowledge that within that other 10% +/- of the population, that they should be respected equally.
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Post by bentenn on Dec 7, 2007 23:58:51 GMT -5
That study was interesting, Im sure there are many variables, both known and unknown.
but the really interesting part is that 30% had homosexual activities, and still didnt consider themself gay. So what could this be attributed to? Do you think they are lying, do you think they just happened to meet the right woman at the right time and become straight?
Why would these guys have willing,consensual sex with other guys, unless they were actually attracted to it.
Did they have sex and then decide it wasnt for them?
Did they compare the straight and the gay and find the straight to be more appealing?
This is a very interesting study to say the least, I would love to find out more about it, and some more possible explanations.
Anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 14:20:21 GMT -5
Does anybody remember the football star, hate preacher Reggie White? Lots of people held him up as a role model and he believed his own hype. His managers were so proud of him and his proud contributions, in and around the black community, that they asked him to address the Wisconsin State Assembly. He delivered a jaw-dropping speech on March 25,1998 In the speech he equated gay people with liars and cheaters and malicious backstabbers. He went on to say that blacks were gifted to worship and celebration. Whites were good at tapping into money, and Native Americans weren't enslaved because they knew the territory and knew how to sneak up on people. He also claimed that Hispanics are gifted in "family structure" and can put twenty to thirty people in one home. He said that the Japanese and Asians are inventive and can turn a television into a watch. He was oh so proud of himself as he stood there smiling while suffering from delusions of education.
I'm not making this up guys. This comes out of the book..... "Anything But Straight" By Wayne R. Besen, page 205
We all have to be very careful when we elect our role models. A guy with a ball is just that and nothing more. To quote Bluepride, "Just shut up and throw the ball, mary"
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Post by ltdetroit on Dec 8, 2007 23:02:14 GMT -5
Bentenn: It seems like you may still be struggling with internalized homophobia... the problem with meeting "the right girl at the right time" and suddenly being straight is that it implies you're not straight because you haven't met the right girl... or that girls (being straight) is "right", meaning not being straight would fall under the heading of "wrong". I just don't think it works that way... here's how it works... you meet the right PERSON and you know they're the right person because 10 years later you still love to see their face, still want to spend time with them AND still want to get naked and sweaty with them.
Please don't think I'm taking you to task over this, I'm not. I know some people have a harder struggle than others, and I feel for you.
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Post by ltdetroit on Dec 8, 2007 23:10:57 GMT -5
Sorry - I negelcted to actually give you info that would count as an answer to your question! lol The fact is, ALL sex feels good, and most of our hang-ups are sociological in nature. There is an evolutionary reason men have prostates covered in sexual nerve endings!! Most of this gay/str8 stuff is mostly, well, imaginary. It's no new concept that most human beings are not 100% gay or str8. 80% of us are bisexual to one degree or another. Personally, I can say I've had lots and LOTS of "str8" tail. Nothing odder than an old trick introducing you to his pregnant girlfriend... My motto is, don't overthink it, you can't control what makes your dick hard! It's much more fun being with someone that gets your motor running as opposed to being with the one you THINK you "should" be with...
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Post by bentenn on Dec 9, 2007 0:17:41 GMT -5
LOL @the dick comment. Thanks for your reply, I enjoyed reading it.
I have been on numerous gay boards and the consensus is that you are either born straight, or born gay, and bisexuality is dismissed. I guess the true answer to this we will never know.
I have also talked with alot of gay who say they have never been with a woman and coud not even function with a woman, one guy even told me he threw up after his first sex with a woman.
There are many different perspectives out there, I love to hear them all.
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Post by bluepride on Dec 9, 2007 8:35:54 GMT -5
I did not shed a tear when "Rev." Reggie White died. And I was appalled at the public mourning spectacles that were made afterward. He was a hate-mongerer, plain and simple. Hiding behind some store bought "Reverend" status. <<Did they compare the straight and the gay and find the straight to be more appealing?>>Some straight guys could stick it into mud and get off. Some straight guys will have occasional male to male action and still be straight. Just as a gay male might have sex with a woman from time to time. But that doesn't change their orientation. You are who you are, straight or gay. You don't go back and forth between the two. Not to tell people my personal business, but years ago after a breakup with a boyfriend, I went into a prolonged sexual relationship with a female co-worker for a few months. But I was still as gay as a frikkin canary. And she knew it, because I told her so. It was just one of those things. She was my rebound "thing", I guess. But I was still gettin it on with guys when I wasn't with her. You can't change your sexual orientation. End of story. Even if you get a crack at doing Pamela Anderson.
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Post by bentenn on Dec 9, 2007 15:52:46 GMT -5
Thanks Bluepride, I like to hear all of the different perspectives.
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Post by blu06 on Feb 15, 2008 0:40:13 GMT -5
MMMMMM.... this is interesting... if you substitute: Anti - gay slur = B 12 Shots Misidentification = Misheard Brady Quinn = Roger Clemons Men's accessories called, they're running low on ROSE COLOR GLASSES.... Would all professional jocks who have a fear of things that may poke them in the rear please return your rose color glasses to the Denial and LaLa World room as soon as possible. Thank You.
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Post by hoosiercop on Feb 15, 2008 10:55:04 GMT -5
I hope that he did not really make the comments. Though also I suppose it would be nice if the accuser would make known what was supposedly said. I've been a fan of Quinn's for 5 years, and hope that he isn't a phobe. Problem is, unless we see a pattern, we will most likely never know the truth. It's easy for someone to label someone a phobe just because they are angry at them. I've had gay guys that i have dealt with or arrested call ME a homophobe before, for no other reason than because they were mad at me and because they were not getting their way. So I hope that Quinn is not really that kind of guy. But who knows, except for Quinn and whoever was accusing him?
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Post by bluepride on Feb 15, 2008 18:05:17 GMT -5
Well, I "hope" he didn't make any inappropriate comments but given the past history of some of our football players over the last few years,at least, it quite possibly happened. It would be a disappointment if he did say it though.
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